Ignacio Lopez: A Comedian's Guide to Buying the Perfect Mattress

Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, Screen Rats.

Now today on Television Times, just going to have a quick chat about Edinburgh Fringe.

Just because it features heavily on this podcast, right?

Cause we have a lot of comedians.

I went there last year with the show.

I'm not going there this year.

I have my reasons.

And Ignacio Lopez, who's today's guest on this podcast.

I met him last year.

I saw his show last year.

He was up in the same venue as JJ Whitehead, friend of the pod.

And you know, I really wanted to get him on the podcast last year.

And we didn't quite manage it.

It's another one of those that's taken basically a year to organize, which is fine.

And I'm really glad I got to talk to him because, you know, I've been trying and it's nice to bring it out as The Fringe begins, which as you're listening to this, it will have done just a few days.

So, you know, if you're up there, go and see him.

His show is on now.

There'll be a link at the bottom of this episode.

But yeah, I just want to talk about it because it keeps coming up.

People keep talking to me about the prices of rent, the prices of food, all the things that we always talk about.

And somebody suggested, please remind me of which episode, that it should be every two years.

I sort of agree with that because I think at this point it's kind of ridiculous.

And it came around so fast this time.

It really, really did.

And I do hope to go back next year.

My plan is to go back next year with a new idea, which I can't speak about yet, but it won't be me doing my own thing as myself, talking about my life and making jokes and stuff like that.

It didn't really work for me.

It's really weird.

I'm such a connoisseur of comedy.

I know so many comedians.

I love it.

I live it.

I breathe it.

But I can't really write jokes.

I can't be the guy that sits up there and does joke after joke.

There are people that can do that.

It's amazing.

It's incredible to watch.

I don't have that skill and it feels forced when I try.

So that's why I haven't been doing standup since Edinburgh.

I gave it up because I came back and I thought, I'm not a standup.

What am I?

Am I a storyteller?

Vomit in my mouth?

Horrible term?

No, I don't know what I am, man.

I have no idea.

So yeah, we're going to work that out.

We're going to work through it and find out what the hell this is.

So yeah, wish me luck for next year.

2026, baby.

Free Fringe, I reckon.

Not going up there and spending 10 grand.

So anyway, Ignacio Lopez, he is a fantastic comedian.

He's from Spain.

He lives in Wales.

And he's on all the shows.

He's done Live At The Apollo, he's been to House of Games, Mastermind, all the stuff.

You imagine it, he's been on it.

And last year, he had this show that was...

The whole thing was kind of like this lime green, his suit, his guitar, his microphone, which, you know, I first started noticing like James Acaster, like making the colors of the microphones.

But when I found out how he did it, I was like astounded because I thought it was some kind of...

It looked great that the posters and everything look good, but it turns out he just used paint, like emulsion.

And he painted his suit and he painted his guitar.

Lunatic, but brilliant, Ignacio.

Love it.

Absolutely loved it.

I loved his show.

It was the last show.

Was it the last show?

It was one of the last shows, maybe the penultimate show I saw last year actually.

But yeah, he was very funny, great show.

So, you know, go and see him this year.

If you're up in Edinburgh, I'm sure it will be great fun.

But while you're waiting, listen to me chatting to him.

So this is me talking to the wonderful Ignacio Lopez.

Can Ignacio Lopez please make his way to the stage?

Thank you.

Roll up, roll up and welcome to another edition of Television Times with your host me, Steve Otis Gunn, where I'll be talking to someone you do know or someone you don't.

It might be funny, but it might not be.

But it's always worth tuning in for.

So here we go with another episode of Television Times.

Steve, how are you doing?

Pleased to meet you again.

I only met you very briefly last year in Edinburgh with much longer hair.

How are you?

Yeah, good, man.

We've recently moved, so I'm currently in a place with no furniture.

So I'm sat on a bean bag, propped up by a window.

That's all right.

Yeah, man.

Living the dream.

Where are you living?

In Cardiff still?

Yeah, just outside.

Well, we're in Bury now.

So just outside Cardiff.

Yeah, 15 minutes out.

Yeah, it's quite cool.

We've only been here.

We moved in a few weeks ago, but again, yeah, everything's trickling in bit by bit.

We got a mattress a few days ago.

Yeah.

We had a mattress on our floor.

Me and my wife lived in Bristol for about a year and we stayed on the floor for ages until we got here and it became really normal.

And it was only about two years into Newcastle where like her parents came over from America and said, do you want a bed?

I was like, no, no, I'm totally fine.

I don't need a frame.

And now it feels weird to be up on the frame.

It's kind of less comfortable.

You've been sleeping Japanese style for a long time.

Yeah.

I love sleeping Japanese style.

I'm a big fan of Japan and a big fan of your show last year at Edinburgh, which I enjoyed very much.

I came to see the final ever performance.

Oh, cool.

Yes.

I watched you and I watched JJ the very same afternoon.

JJ Whitehead.

And I just wanted to say the sort of lime green aesthetic of the whole thing, like the microphone, the guitar, the jacket.

I loved the look of it and it was really appealing.

You know what I mean?

It was like, oh, that is just so pleasing.

And then to find out that effectively all you did was paint it with like emotion or something.

House paint.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was like Mr.

Bean with the thing.

He was green.

Yeah.

It was the quickest way of doing it, which was great at the time.

But then when I was, because I wore that jacket through the entire tour as well.

And yeah, it was not comfortable.

It was like wearing a piece of a house.

It was inflexible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was pretty heavy as well.

But it was waterproof.

So that was a bonus, I think.

Later on in the tour, I did write the joke and I put it in.

So I wouldn't have done it in Edinburgh.

But I said on the thin of paint, it did say suitable for a single coat.

That's really good.

Thanks.

That's really good.

I don't talk about him often, but I have an Irish father and I went over there when I was a teenager to visit them.

And he bought an old Mercedes van and he painted it with dark blue emulsion.

And then being an island, like Wales, it rained.

Yeah.

And went out the next day and there was fucking streaks everywhere all on the floor.

I was like, did you use the right paint?

And he said, Jesus, I don't know.

I just got whatever paint was available.

He paints a van with emulsion.

Yeah.

You took it to a new level.

So I was really happy to see that show, but you were definitely done with it.

Oh, yeah.

You were telling everyone, yeah, I'm done with this.

It was a long month.

But then obviously I had to take it on tour as well.

But it was a bit different because it's spaced out.

I had a few months before going back into it.

But yeah, it was a long month because I was doing three shows a day myself, as well as then jumping on other spots and places.

I usually do a minimum of 90 shows during The Fringe, and including spots and stuff as well.

I think it was probably close to 150.

Yeah, I'm not doing that this year.

I'm only doing eight days a year.

You're going up in a couple of weeks.

Yeah, I am doing three shows a day, but I'm only doing eight days, so it's considerably less than usual.

Right, right, right.

That's nice.

So you're doing the half fringe now.

Yeah, well, the reason is my partner, Michelle, it's a big birthday for her this year in August, and I promised, because we've been together for 15 years, I've been doing the fringe for pretty much every year, and I promised her I wouldn't take her to Scotland for her birthday this year.

So she spent so many birthdays in Edinburgh, which is a lovely place, but it gets a bit samey year on year off.

I'm going to take her to some sunshine in August for change.

That's nice.

Have you spent much time in Edinburgh when it isn't fringe?

Yeah, I love it.

I've done a bunch of gigs there.

And obviously I went up there again on my tour, which was weird doing it outside of the fringe back in Edinburgh.

But it feels like a ghost town.

If your first experience of Edinburgh is doing the fringe festival, you head up there again, you're like, what happened to everyone?

It's like the opening scene of 28 Days Later.

You just feel like you're strolling, like what hospital did I wake up in?

Where is everyone?

Spooky, spooky city.

It is weird.

Doesn't the population double?

And even more so this year with the Oasis gigs.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm not an Oasis fan.

I'm not going to complain about them because some comedians are really hurt by criticism of their favorite drunken artists.

Yeah.

It's going to be a bit hot immediately because everyone's going to be talking about it.

Yeah.

You'll definitely spot them in the audience for sure.

I'm getting out of town the day before they play, I think.

My last show is on the 8th and I think they play on the 9th and 10th.

Yeah.

That sounds deliberate.

It sounds like you've got a problem.

I did perfectly, my friend.

The music is fine.

Nothing is the music and a lot of the fans are fine, but there's a vocal minority of...

Am I allowed to swear on this podcast?

Yeah, of course you can.

I would say there's a vocal minority of dickheads.

There's a dickhead contingent to the Oasis fan.

So I'm glad to be avoiding them if I can.

I think that is a fair, fair comment considering.

I mean, I act like I don't like them, but I bought the album, it was okay.

I preferred Blur, obviously.

But, you know, he's a twat, isn't he, Liam?

You don't want to be around that.

I think both of them are.

I think there's a great story because Noel himself actually bought a place in Mallorca, as it happens, years ago.

And on some award ceremony or something, he said, yeah, I'm going back home to my villa on the coast of Mallorca, to my private beach.

And I think one of the mayors in Mallorca at the time had to put out a full page ad in some magazine saying, we don't have private beaches in Spain because we don't.

They're all public.

Every beach is public in Spain.

There's no private beach.

So and then I hear down the line from some friends who are a state agency in Spain.

It was a bit of a joke for a while.

Noel was complaining that there was people on his beach.

And at one point he was complaining.

Yeah.

And at one point he was complaining that somebody parked their boat outside his place, which he was really annoyed about.

And then he kept complaining and a few weeks later he found out it was his own boat and it came with the property.

Oh my God.

I thought he was the nice one.

Yeah.

That's what they say.

But it's just maybe it's just better PR.

But they are very talented songwriters.

I do.

The music is good.

It's okay.

Very lucky pub band is what they are.

That's what they are.

Let's be honest.

But it's funny you mentioned because I've only, well, I say recently, since about 2015, I started going to Spain pretty regularly.

But before that, I sort of had, I think I had like preconceived ideas that it was just going to be full of British people who voted Brexit and I don't want to be around that.

So I sort of avoided Spain because of my own, you know, fucking islanders.

I know about the private beach thing because I have a lot of that in Italy and a lot south of France and you get kettled into this tiny little bit and you think why would anyone come here?

We go to Valencia quite often, actually.

Beautiful.

You just go on the beach any time, it's so easy, so nice, so it's a great place to go.

Real Spain, I'm talking real Spain, but I do enjoy that.

But you as a kid went on holiday to Wales, like the other way around.

You were living on a sunkist island and you went on holiday to the wettest place in the world.

We spent, yeah, we spent numerous holidays in caravan parks in southwest Wales.

It was grim.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

To be fair, they did have a little bit of sunshine on occasion, but so much of my memory was just not understanding why the rain wasn't stopping, because even when we had rarely rain in Mallorca, it would absolutely pour it down torrential for like a day, and then it would be clear again.

And then in Wales, you'd have sometimes six days in a row, no sunshine whatsoever, just gray sky, raining, and you could hear it loud on that caravan.

Talking about an amplifier, that caravan seems like it was designed purely to accentuate how cramped the weather was in Wales.

Really?

Yeah.

I had a similar thing as a kid, because I have Irish family, so I used to go to Ireland, and you'd go there for the summer, but it never came.

And it would rain more than it did everyone, you know, in films, like American films, they said it in London, it's just rain.

Not true, it doesn't happen.

Not really.

Yeah, Ireland?

Oh my god.

Yeah.

August, it just rains the whole time.

And you're just thinking, well, where's the summer?

Well, they're not kitted out for the sunshine when they get it.

I was in Dublin last weekend, and I think they said it was the hottest day on record.

It was absolutely scorching, you know, obviously no air conditioning everywhere, fans are sold out everywhere.

People walking around with the useless handheld ones.

Yeah, there's a couple of people out there with Spanish fans as well, which I found nostalgic for a bit.

But it was quite, yeah, they just weren't kitted out for it, not ready, and it's the same in Wales, really, it's the same.

As soon as it comes, they've been wanting it the whole time.

As soon as it arrives, everyone starts complaining, it's too hot, isn't it?

It's too hot.

That's what they tell everyone.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Too hot, isn't it?

It's like, it's fine, I'm comfortable, you know.

Too hot, too bright.

Yeah.

What was it like growing up on Mallorca?

What was that kind of childhood like?

Was it kind of like we imagined?

No, it was, I don't know, really.

I mean, yeah, people confuse it.

They think I basically lived on holiday or whatever, but mostly my memory was, you know, my parents going to work, me going to school, me then going to work with them after school.

Like, yeah, you kind of all live in this little room above a bar or up on the hill in a little villa.

You know, obviously the coastal properties in Mallorca are so expensive because of the tourists.

You live sort of inland a little bit, but we could still just from the mountain see Porto Poyensa, which is where I grew up, up on the hills.

The coast itself there is where the King of Spain docks his ships.

It was a very expensive area along the coast, but we were sort of up in an apartment up on the hill.

So, you know, my memories are watching cartoons, spending time with my friends, pretty similar to the UK, I think, going out on bikes, adventuring.

You know, it's kind of one of those 90s childhoods where you just go out for hours.

Your parents didn't know where you were.

They didn't care.

Yeah, no phones.

It was fun.

Yeah, yeah.

Freedom.

Semi-serious point.

Like, I was going to ask you what you thought of these because they're in the news lately, but these anti-tourist protests are in, like, Barcelona, they're in New York as well.

And a few places where they're cropping up, I definitely see their point.

It's like taking the piss.

It's a bit like how I felt about living in London.

I had to leave London because London was just like, I'm not a Russian or a Chinese oligarch, so I can't live here.

Too expensive, yeah, yeah.

Too expensive, man.

It's just not doable.

I can't live there.

But how do you feel about that?

I'm not asking you to take a political side, but you can see their point, right?

Yeah, 100%.

I mean, all my family worked in the tourism industry for a long time.

And the flip side of it is, if everyone was well behaved and nice, there probably wouldn't be as many complaints.

But they all get funneled into these areas and trash the place.

Again, it's a vocal minority.

It's like Oasis.

Like most people like Oasis aren't the kids.

But you got a few loud ones in their bucket hats, kicking shit over after a show or drinking too much.

And it's the same on holiday.

And you remember the ones who trash the apartments and come into the bar demanding stuff.

And it's a shame.

But also, Britain has this really skewed idea that they're basically funding Spain's entire economy, British people.

I know you used to say that all the time.

Well, we paid for their roads.

Where's our roads?

I get it.

All the time.

I get it.

Every time I make any criticism of British people on holiday, which I think mostly fair criticisms, sometimes exaggerated.

There's always people in the comments and stuff on videos or coming up to me after gigs going like, yeah, well, you know, if it wasn't for us, you know, you wouldn't have any money and all this kind of stuff.

You are aware that other people go on holiday to Spain from other parts of the world, right?

And also, you know, the GDP of Spain isn't propped up entirely by these coastal holiday resorts.

It's a very small part.

You know, we do have industries, we have exports.

You know, if it wasn't for the Spanish, you would have nothing to cook in because Spain's olive oil is, you know, 30% of the world's olive oil comes from Spain.

So, you know, get over yourselves, UK.

Do you watch Spanish TV and films?

Do you navigate towards that or not really?

I do watch Spanish, I try to watch Spanish movies, I do enjoy it.

I think especially with Netflix now, it's great that so many international films and stuff are available on there.

And you can see on my algorithm straight away.

I mean, you watch like Ito Mama También, or like any Pedro Alvarado movie, and all of a sudden Netflix is like, oh, show this person as much Spanish content as possible.

What's great is you get a lot of South American cinema.

Yeah, and yeah, and like shows things like Money Heist.

I love Money Heist.

Yeah, not so much Sky Rojo.

No, you know, they've kind of brought Spanish television to the forefront.

Yeah, I think most Spanish TV, when I was growing up, it felt a lot lower budget.

So on television, you tend to watch a lot of the American stuff.

We get way more American stuff in Spain than I think the UK did at the same time.

So we get dubbed American stuff all of the time.

Whereas when I came to the UK, there's many more sort of British sitcoms and dramas and soap operas and stuff.

Whereas in Spain, we get a lot more sort of imported television dubbed.

So is it generally dubbed on TV like in Germany?

Is that the general?

Yeah, majority is.

Yeah, I remember years ago, my dad saying like, you know, the voice actors for like Spanish TV and movies are like much better than their UK counterparts because there's so much more work, because they dubbed so much more in Spain.

So then I was like, all right, I thought for a while and I was thinking, well, no, because you just have more voice actors.

People wouldn't become specialists and so great.

But, you know, it's funny watching a movie.

Most of my childhood, my mom was obsessed with movies.

She had a video shop in Wales and we would watch films all of the time.

That's cool.

Cinemas, television, most of the time they'd be dubbed when I was in Spain and then seeing them years later in English for the first time, you know, I didn't know what Keanu Reeves' voice was like until I was in my late teens and I saw him like in The Matrix in English instead of what I'd seen it originally in Spanish, like no hay una cuchera.

And then all of a sudden it's like, there is no spoon.

Yeah.

It was really strange watching those movies clipped over.

Yeah, I can imagine.

There's a lot of that because I went out with a German girl once and she didn't know what Sean Connery sounded like.

I thought that was really weird.

Or Schwarzenegger, which was really strange because they dub him, obviously, because he's always this big in English.

Well, it's great how actors, they get stuck to another actor.

So like a voice actor is sort of, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger has his German guy who does him in German.

You know, you've got Arnold Schwarzenegger in Spanish, who is he is Arnold Schwarzenegger in Spanish.

And it's funny when they get to meet their voice actors and they look obviously nothing like them.

Like Arnold Schwarzenegger is, you know, German counterpart, he's probably sort of five foot six and like minuscule.

What I find is in the Spanish dubs, how much deeper everyone's voices are because they cast them like, oh, that's the male role, that's the male lead.

So they give them a very deep sort of Spanish voice.

And then when I heard some of these characters talking for the first time in English, I was kind of like, why are they so high pitched?

Like what's going on?

Why do they sound so caricature, like childish and Mickey Mouse?

You know, because it's just natural voices.

Yeah, I really got into Spanish TV to the point that when I go to a hotel, I always have one Korean film and one Spanish film lined up, usually a thriller.

And I've worked out there's only three actors in Spain.

So there's Luis Tozar, is that how you say his name?

He's in fucking everything.

I will literally watch anything that guy's in.

Jose Coronado, love him.

I don't know how to say, is it Kim Gutierrez?

Gutierrez, yeah, yeah.

Those three guys, that's it.

That's all you need.

That's the pie chart of actors for every film I've ever seen or any TV show.

One of them pops up for sure.

There's one other guy, I can't remember his name, but I love, how do you say it, Luis Tozar?

Luis Tozar, yeah, yeah.

Tozar, he's fantastic.

And they keep remaking his films, like they remade Retribution into some Liam Neeson movie.

You know, they're on the car with the bomb in it.

Yeah, yeah.

And they ruined it.

It turned into a piece of shit.

The Spanish one was way better.

They always do, man.

Did you see Wreck, the horror movie?

Yeah, yeah, the Barcelona horror.

Is it Madrid?

I can't remember where it was shot, actually.

There's two, isn't there?

Yeah, and they remade it as Quarantine.

It was, I think, Sky Movies' first production, so it was remade with an American cast in English, and it was, yeah, it was dreadful.

They just didn't have the charm of it.

And they almost made it shot for shot, but it just didn't work, you know?

They can't do it, it doesn't work.

They tried to do it with humans, that Finnish TV show.

Obviously, the Americanization of Japanese horror films never works, you know, like Ring or like...

Grudge is...

The Grudge, yes.

Duon, that's what I'm trying to think of.

Yeah, they remade that and it lost all the horror.

I don't know how they do it.

They're just rubbish at it, aren't they?

Oh, where's the other guy?

Mario Casas.

Of course, him.

That guy.

Speaking of remakes, have you seen Abre Los Ojos?

Have you seen Open Your Eyes, which became Vanilla Sky, they remade?

Yes.

Vanilla Sky.

Penelope Cruz plays the same part in both movies, which is quite cool.

Seeing the different decisions she made.

I didn't mind Vanilla Sky.

I mean, obviously, I prefer the original of anything, but I didn't mind Vanilla Sky.

It was one of the better remakes.

I liked it.

I think it was much more aligned.

I think whenever Tom Cruz stretches himself a little bit, I think it immediately gets criticized and it's one of his more interesting films.

Yeah, for sure.

But I'm always on the lookout for Spanish TV.

I watched three seasons of Entrevias, that area of Madrid.

That was fun.

And Eye For An Eye, Louis Tozar's best TV show.

I think they're not bringing it back, which is very, very annoying.

But I love all that stuff.

I love it.

But Money Heist.

You've seen the spinoff Berlin?

I haven't watched the spinoff.

No, I don't.

Is it any good?

You checked it out?

No, I've checked it out.

It's unnecessary.

Yeah.

Money Heist is what the executives called it when they commissioned the spinoff, I think, making money off of robbing an idea.

Yeah.

I'm trying to think of other adaptations of stuff.

There was an interesting series.

They all shot it in the same place.

It was filmed in Spain, I believe.

It was set in an interrogation room on Netflix.

I can't remember what it was called.

Oh, yes.

They were really good, weren't they?

There's a German one, English one, Spanish one.

We watched all of them.

The TV show we're talking about is called Criminal.

What I was concerned about was like, don't tell me that just every episode is the same, but it's different stories, different cast.

The only thing that's the same is that they all take place in an interrogation room, which I thought was super smart and economic, isn't it?

One location, shoot around the clock.

Yeah, well, basically you're watching a play, but it doesn't feel like you're watching a play.

Yeah, it was quite very well made.

One of my favorite films growing up as well, pretty dark early work of Armando Varis.

Have you seen Matador?

Yeah, I've seen all his films.

Yeah, which was Antonio Banderas' debut.

I thought he was fantastic in that.

And he's got an acting school in Malaga.

I've got a couple of friends who've been to it.

When he was in one day, they asked him about doing that film.

Because it's got, like any Armando Varis movie, it's got sort of sexual undertones and sort of quite risque sort of things.

Yeah, yeah, of course.

He said the first scene, he told them in a talk, he said the first scene he had to film was him having to attack this woman late at night and then prematurely ejaculating before the crime was sort of completed.

And he said that was his first scene.

And he said, you know, he did it thinking like, Oh, what have I done with my career and everything?

Is that is the director happy with that?

And by the way, I was kind of like, Yeah, great.

Like keep rolling and stuff.

And, you know, that kickstarted his whole career.

It's great.

I think with Antonio Banderas, it's like El Mariachi, the original version of Desperado.

And then Once Upon a Time in Mexico.

Desperado and then All the Way to Pussy Poo.

So to be honest, it's the same character, isn't it?

Show me the funny.

Was that your first thing on TV?

Yeah, it was the first stand up show on television.

Yeah, I acted in a few things very briefly before that.

I was in a kids show, which was produced for Disney.

Oh, you're a Disney kid.

Well, Disney Canada, maybe.

I don't know if that counts.

I think, yeah, I was a guest on a Disney show called Tati's Hotel and that was an interesting one because I went in for the audition.

They were shooting in Wales and it was a 12-part series or whatever, a kids show.

And the premise was it was this little girl running this hotel.

I don't know how a little girl ends up with the hotel, but she was running it and there's this cast of characters, including puppets and all sorts.

It was really fun.

But my character, they called me in to audition.

The character's name was Fernando Fandango, which was a bit on the nose.

It was a bit racist.

They did later change it after I brought it up.

They did later just change the character to Fernando, which was better because I've got an uncle Fernando.

I can live with that.

The character was a Latin dance instructor, salsa dancer, and I cannot dance salsa to save my life.

It's not in my wheelhouse.

But I went in for the audition and they said, have you danced before?

I was like, yeah, I can salsa, I can do all that stuff.

You say anything to get the role at the time.

They said, okay, great.

Well, if you could just, and she stood up and she said, if you could just do step, step, step, step, step.

And she just did this really complicated dance in front of me.

And I'm sort of looking at her like, I said, you know what?

I've really hurt my knee playing tennis.

And she was like, oh no, are you okay?

And I was like, yeah, yeah, it's just, I'm not going to be able to do any kind of physical stuff today, if that's all right.

And she was like, no, no, of course.

And I left there thinking, there is no way in hell I'm getting that part ever.

Like, you know, no chance.

And then two weeks later, they formed me up.

And they said, great news, you've got the part.

So I immediately had to start taking salsa lessons.

And what's funny is in the part, I'm teaching somebody else how to salsa dance, but it became very clear during the filming that she was way more experienced than me at salsa.

So she was having to guide me.

Oh really?

And let's just say they shot a lot above the waist.

I don't know what my feet were doing down there.

That is so funny.

I did a similar thing with pianos.

I got a job selling pianos in Harrods for the Harrods sale once in my 20s.

And I could play guitar, but I couldn't play piano.

And I thought, I'll never get it.

I can bang some chords, but I can't play piano.

And I got the fucking job.

And then they sent me to Yamaha Kemble in Milton Keynes to sort of test out all the pianos and the organs and stuff.

And the guy was there and he was like, okay, so do you want to like test all the things?

And I'm like, I mean, can you get me coffee?

Because I mean, I sort of like to do that in private.

He went, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll give you 20 minutes.

I said, that's fine.

I'm just going boom, boom, boom, chopsticks.

And then he comes back 20 minutes later.

He goes, yeah, I got on okay, got on okay.

Went straight to my mate's house in Peterborough.

I said, teach me.

It's mad, isn't it?

Why do we lie?

I mean, you have to.

I think if you don't push yourself to stuff that you cannot do, then we wouldn't end up getting the jobs and the roles that we went for.

And then you learn stuff along the way.

Like, Michael J.

Fox knew absolutely nothing of what he was getting something for when he did Back To The Future.

But then he learned to skateboard, he learned how to play guitar, you know, horse riding, all of this stuff.

He's learning as he was going.

That's the best way, I think.

Sometimes you got to blag it, I guess, stand ups like that, right?

Fake it till you make it.

Yeah.

It's all about confidence, isn't it?

And just throwing yourself into it.

Oh, do you know about this?

This is a complete side thing.

You talk about Wales, talking about people speaking Spanish.

I was in Argentina once and it was because you said the sort of racist name they gave you.

I once met this guy called Alfonso Hernández López and he was a Welsh-Argentinian artist who was working in the spelt like Gay Man, like Gay Man, G-A-I-M-A-N, like Neil Gaiman sort of thing.

And it's a Welsh town in Argentina where some Welsh people went over, you know about this?

And they went there.

Atagonia, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And there's these two towns where everyone speaks Welsh.

But what's amazing is when they speak Spanish until they speak English and then they speak a little Welsh accent.

And I had recently done a show, I'd recently done a tour on a play and I'd been at the New Theatre in Cardiff.

And I was telling these people, they go, Oh, do you know Cardiff?

And I said, Oh yeah, I was recently there.

He goes, Oh, he's recently been to Cardiff.

And then they were all sort of getting me to talk to them and tell them what's it like.

And I went, Well, there's like, there's a millet, there's a lady with spoons.

You're just like, what's in the vicinity of the new theatre?

I was like, Oh yeah, Central Bar, Where There Spoons is there.

Yeah, I think there's still a Virgin Megastore at that point.

But yeah, there was, but it was fascinating because, and they all seem quite like, well, there was a lot of really old people in the 80s and stuff who had, and they showed me all these old pictures of Wales.

It was, it was amazing.

And everything was in Welsh.

So, I think it's called a Ouladba in Welsh, which means the settlement or the colony.

And yeah, they went over there a long time ago.

But interestingly, when some friends of mine, Welsh speakers, when they've gone over there or spoken to Patagonians, they speak like a more authentic version of Welsh because it hasn't had so many long words from English or it hasn't involved so much.

It's a lot more traditional, old school sort of Welsh.

So they've kind of, it's like stepping back in time.

You know, you go back and you can talk to someone proper Welsh.

Yeah, it felt like I was speaking to Victorians.

They sort of dressed old fashioned and everything.

But imagine me stumbling upon that, not knowing about it.

I didn't look for it.

I was just on a bus and I got off and I was like, what's this all about?

Well, there's in the north of Spain, you have Galicia.

And when I tell people in Spain, oh, my mom is Welsh or, you know, I'm half Welsh or whatever.

And I'll say, you know, mi madre es de Gales.

They kind of fill in the rest of the word themselves.

They think I'm saying, mi madre es Galesa, my mother is Welsh.

And they think I'm saying, oh, my mother's from Galicia.

And they'd be like, oh, that's, you know, nothing special or whatever, you know.

But Galicia, interestingly, that is the Celtic part of Spain right up in the top corner.

Like, they're very proud.

You know, they have bagpipes, they have, you know, Celtic flags with like Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Galicia.

And they're very proud of the fact that it's this Celtic region.

But I've got no relation to it whatsoever.

But lots of people from Galicia think because of bits and pieces that I'm, you know, from Galicia or something because...

And it sounds like the word Galicia.

Yeah.

Well, and Galicia is Welsh in, Galicia is Wales in Spanish.

So yeah, Galic and stuff.

So similar, it must be similar root words from Latin.

It's the Celtic gene you see.

You've got the Celtic and the Spanish gene, which is why, what's that line you've got?

It's something like in Spain, I'm a fool or something.

Is that what you said?

Yeah.

So I said, And over here, I'm a-

Yeah.

So I say, when I'm complaining about, I'm in bad shape or whatever, I'm not feeling my best.

My British friends will be like, what are you talking about Ignacio?

You look great.

And I'll say, look guys, I appreciate I'm a UK nine, but I'm a Mallorca six right now.

And I say, and that's not good enough.

Yeah.

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So you've been on Mastermind.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Good fun.

Yeah.

Nine inch nails.

Love them.

Absolutely love them.

There's so many Easter eggs of nine inch nails stuff in my shows.

I always plan some jobs.

And obviously the show that you saw me do it at the Fringe Festival, Send Yourself Destruct, is a reference to Mr.

Self Destruct, Nine Inch Nails song.

So how confident were you with the questions that you were going to?

I was quite confident.

First of all, I was like, I just don't want to mess up my specialist subject.

You know, I knew of Mastermind.

Like, I think they probably adapted it onto Spanish television.

I've seen something similar.

But the chair and the whole idea of the show, I remember from being a kid and I think my grandmother in Wales had like a board game of it or something.

Oh, yeah, there was.

And you moved to the UK, you know, later on.

I must have first seen it on television when I was a teenager or something.

It seems so stressful.

And it is that nerve wracking in person as well.

There's no live studio audience.

It's just the contestants, the crew and the host.

And you kind of called up for your question, like what, you know, to do your special subject.

I was like, I don't really care about general knowledge.

In my head, all of these kind of TV appearances, like, right, I want to sell tickets to my shows, you know.

People aren't coming to watch me do general knowledge trivia.

They're coming to see a comedian.

So I'm trying to be funny.

And a bit of kind of behind-the-scenes on this.

At the start of the show, they record all the intros a few times.

And Clive made a few jokes to host.

He was doing a couple of dags at the start about us being celebrities and us having two hours, you know, backstage and coming, showing up in Lamborghinis and stuff.

And then when it was my turn to sit in the hot seat, and he asked you a few questions, just personal ones at the start, I referenced back to the stuff he'd been saying.

So I made some jokes based on what he'd been saying.

He'd been saying about the kitchen hours and cars and stuff like this.

And I did it in my questions as well for the general knowledge later on.

Because I was like, I don't care about getting these right.

I just want to make jokes.

So I was making jokes.

And then at the end, they re-recorded a bunch of intros for him.

And they cut out the joke that he'd made at the start, that I'd been throwing back to the whole rest of the episode.

And they were like, great.

That's it.

That's a wrap.

And I was like, no, no, no.

I put my hand up and they were like, what's going on?

And I said, yeah, it's just everything I said in the chair over there, like during him asking me stuff.

And some of my answers as well in the general knowledge round, I said were references to the joke that you've just cut out.

And they were like, oh.

And I said, so what do we do now?

Like, do I need to re-record my part?

And they were like, yes.

So I had to go out and sit there again.

Oh, really?

So he asked me, you know, oh, you know, you're from Wales or whatever.

And I had to give an answer again, which I think on the spot of another job, which I think they ended up cutting anyway.

And then they were like, oh, which questions did you refer to those things in the general knowledge rounds?

I had to record my answers again.

And they were like, right.

Can you record the answer again?

So he asked me the question again.

And I was just giving the right answers to the ones that got wrong.

Because I now knew them.

Well, I knew them in the first place.

Like one of the questions was, yeah, I can't remember the exact questions, but I knew the answer going into it.

It was something about a dog, but I gave a silly answer about the Chihuahua instead.

And then they were like, right, you have to re-record your answer now.

So I said the right answer, and they were like, no, you have to give a wrong answer.

I was like, yeah, but I have to now give a wrong answer.

That's funny.

Otherwise, I look like a fucking idiot.

So I'm trying to think on the spot of wrong answers.

It was very complicated.

But thankfully, I did OK at Nine Inch Nails.

I got one question incorrect, which I was furious with myself about.

The question was, what video game did Nine Inch Nails provide the soundtrack for?

And I said Doom, which obviously it wasn't Doom.

It was Quake, which I knew was the answer, because in Quake, they have a nail gun as a weapon.

And on the ammo boxes for the nail gun, it's the Nine Inch Nails logo, which I knew.

And I knew that Trent Reznor did the soundtrack for that.

And I said Doom, because in my remembrance of Quake, the whole reason they did the soundtrack for that was because on tour they would play Doom on the tour bus.

And then when the makers of Doom said, would you like to come and score on next game?

So I gave the wrong answer and I was so angry with myself.

And that's the one thing when I've been doing all of these Nine Inch Nails, gigs I've been going to and shows about it, it's the one thing that all the super fans come up to me and go, didn't get Quake right, did you?

I'm like, shut up.

You should have gone to re-record it for you.

No, no, I know that one.

Let me do it again.

Let me do it again.

It's a good logo in it, Nine Inch Nails, because I would argue that everybody can see the logo in their head right now.

Yeah.

It's a good one.

Iconic.

It's a good logo.

And you're on House of Games recently as well.

I've spotted you on that.

You're doing all the shows.

You're an omnipresent man at the moment.

In 2024, I must have recorded a dozen television shows and they all aired within a week and a half of each other.

Oh, really?

So I spent the whole year doing all of these different shows.

They don't tell you when they're going to come out.

And it became like a running joke in my family because in one week, at the end of November or December, I was on BBC One, BBC Two, ITV, Channel Four, and I think Comedy Central as well.

So I was on five major channels in the UK.

It's impressive.

You're like Ramesh Ranganathan.

Yeah.

I wish I had his paycheck.

I'll tell you that much.

I'm doing Weakest Link with him next week, actually.

This Sunday.

Lovely.

I was going to ask.

I thought that would be a great one for you.

Yeah.

I haven't spotted you on there yet.

I love that show.

It's so good.

I think he was trepidatious about doing it.

I haven't seen Ramesh for years.

We gigged together.

There was a gig called the Camden Comedy Crawl, which used to be like 30 gigs in a day, all over the place, and comedians would be zipping all over the place in Camden.

Oh wow.

That was years and years ago.

So I've done his gigs, but it'd be nice to run into him again.

But he was a big shoes to fill going into, what's her name?

Anne Robinson.

Anne Robinson, yeah.

She was a formidable host.

Just before I met you, I was halfway through an episode of War For Now, so I feel like he was in the room just now.

It's these weird parasocial relationships you have with these people.

Yeah, man.

Well, it's weird because you listen to them so much and you think you know them or you've met, and then that's what's difficult in stand-up because I bump into somebody.

Is it Tom Davis he does that podcast with?

Yeah.

So I gigged with Tom Davis in Silverstone for the Grand Prix, two weeks ago, whenever that was.

I'm chatting to Tom as if I've known him for years, I've never met him before.

He was perfectly lovely, but he must have been thinking who the fuck does this guy think he is?

Yeah, these things are complicated.

House of Games, I didn't watch it yet, sorry.

I'm way behind.

Did you get the suitcase?

Yes, okay.

I won't spoil the whole thing for you the whole week.

I didn't get the suitcase.

It's the perfect thing for a comedian to carry around.

And I was going to take all of my merchandise on my tour around in it.

Lots of people asked about it because they were like, where's the suitcase?

I'm not taking it everywhere with me.

I want to protect it, you know.

But also it was a perfect size suitcase for going away with, but it's not great for merchandise because I carry a lot of merchandise around me.

So it wasn't quite big enough.

I love doing House of Games.

I talked about it in my tour show as well.

You saw it at the Fringe where it was an hour, but on tour it's 19 minutes long.

I needed to change firstly from the Fringe.

There's obviously stuff I couldn't talk about anymore, some topical bits and...

Rishi Sunak.

Yeah, exactly.

I'll just check.

Everyone had to take that.

Yeah.

But I think I even did a joke about that.

I said that the reason I don't write topical jokes into my toys because nobody even remembers who Rishi Sunak is anymore.

And then I said, Liz Trust doesn't even remember who the fuck she is.

So what hope have I got?

If I'm supposed to be writing jokes about these politicians and they're changing every couple of weeks.

But House of Games, I did material about it because the experience...

And I think this is pretty open knowledge that the whole week is recorded in one day.

Yeah.

And I had no idea.

Really?

So I thought, oh, I've got a week's worth of work to look forward to up in...

I think we filmed in Manchester.

Oh, right.

Yeah.

It was not a week.

It was one day.

And I think the call time was so early.

It was 7 a.m., maybe.

And then we were on set and recording by 8.

And it was actually...

We recorded on the day that Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer were debating.

And it was in the same studio.

So we had to go through people with guns, you know, like super high security.

And I was on with Danny John Jules from Red Dwarf.

He's a great man.

He was a really cool guy.

It's funny because he had a different bow tie for every episode of House of Games.

He went and changed into a different bow tie.

It was really fun.

And he was just such a cool guy, such a gentleman.

And we came out of recording, I think, the second episode.

You know, we were going to lunch and one of the producers came in and said, I'm really sorry.

Like we didn't know this was going to happen.

But basically, MI5 or whatever have had to go into all of the dressing rooms and turn them over to like check there's nothing in there, you know.

And Danny made a joke, something like, oh no, like my drugs are in there or something like that.

And they were like, they weren't looking for drugs.

And Danny was like, I was joking, I don't have drugs in my dressing room.

And they were like, no, they've got dogs out sniffing, looking for bombs and stuff.

Yeah, it was pretty intense.

You're leaving just as the debate was starting and they've got like snipers on the roof and everything.

It was pretty intense.

I was happy to get out of there.

Richard Osman has serious security, doesn't he?

Yeah, the sniper was like, he just stood on his shoulder.

That was above the building.

He's a tall guy.

I once worked on a musical once in London, and at the weekend it was going to be used for like Prince Charles, as he was then, to come down and do something.

And it was the same thing.

We weren't allowed in to where we worked.

There was just Alsatians everywhere, people with guns, searching the whole thing, and I didn't have clearance to even go past stage door.

It was like, but I'm working on the show.

Yeah, you can't go in.

I was in Bahrain for a military gig the day before, I think, the Royals were visiting, and it was top secret that every major destroyer class ship, or however they are in the Navy, were all in this one location on the same day.

So security for that was insane.

You know, they confiscated our phones.

They were like, you know, you're not allowed to get any information, you're not allowed to tell anyone about anything.

Because not only all of, basically, the Britain's Navy, all the high class destroyers are all in this one place and minesweepers and everything for this Royal event.

But also, the Royals are coming the next day, and nobody knows that it was all top secret.

So we found out the day before.

We left just as the Royals were arriving, and I was like, getting on Twitter.

Revealing it straight away.

I didn't tell anyone.

It's nothing the US Defense Secretary doesn't do.

Yeah, exactly.

What's your favorite jingle?

Favorite jingle?

Oh, okay.

And this is a very deep cut, and this is a ridiculous one to say.

I'll go through it backwards, all right?

Nine Inch Nails released a song.

It's on their album, Diamond Spire, which is their biggest release.

It is called A Warm Place, which is a great synth track, slow, very simple melody, which I really like as an instrumental track anyway.

In the liner notes for the album, if you read it, it says that it's based on a David Bowie song.

So, you know, I did some research, I'm trying to find this song, and it's a David Bowie song called Crystal Japan.

And I was like, I can't find this on.

Yeah, it's a rare Japanese B-side.

Yeah.

And it turns out, how do I know that?

That song, which was the rare Japanese B-side, was made for a Japanese advert.

And the reason it's called Crystal Japan is because it was for this Japanese drink.

So that song, it was a jingle from that advert that he created for this Japanese company.

And then it worked its way onto his record.

So that real deep cut.

So that's got to be my favorite jingle, I think, is Crystal Japan.

What an amazing answer.

That's great.

I did not know that.

There was a lot of songs like that then.

When I was a kid, there was a song by Madness called In The City.

And I loved it.

It was, do-do-do-do-do, city, do-ba-do-ba-do-ba-do.

Silly song.

And it turned out it was just an advert for the Honda City.

That's what it was.

I wrote a comedy song once, which was a fake jingle for a mattress store.

Because I used to have a bit about people trying out their mattresses.

My mom used to have a bed shop at one point, and people would come in and they'd like push down on the beds.

And then they'd say like, I'll take that one.

And they hadn't even lay on it.

How do you know if the mattress is for you?

You haven't even laid on the bed.

You have to lie how you would sleep in it as well.

Lots of people like lie down when they flat.

I'm like, do you sleep flat like that?

Like a vampire, like Dracula or whatever?

And they're like, no, I sleep on my side.

Like, we'll lie on your side then, you know?

So I wrote a fake jingle for a mattress shop.

And I think I posted it online.

I was like, if any mattress shop wants to buy this from me, you know, as a jingle for their store, it's kind of instructions on how to try a mattress out.

That's what the song was all about.

So maybe one day.

I bought one mattress in like 10 years.

This is a good circle back to the beginning.

Mattress is on the floor.

When we had a mattress on the floor in Bristol, I bought a Super King mattress because I thought that's the best one, that's the biggest.

And they delivered two by accident.

And they wouldn't take the other one back and I had no where to put it.

So we stuck it in storage.

And when we got back from China, we threw the old one away.

And then we got back, we bought that one here.

So we still have this mattress.

And it's fine, but it's massive.

Of course, you have to buy a frame for it.

But like, you know, I don't want to talk about Ben.

I've looked at getting a new mattress and apparently they're like a grand or something.

And I'm not doing that.

That's insane.

It's just a mattress.

You say it's just a mattress, but you spend more time lying on that than anything else.

Like it's so important for your back and everything.

Like a mattress is, you know, and I'm not just putting my salesman hat on now.

We've just bought our new mattress.

We just had it delivered.

And I'm trying to explain the expense to Michelle.

It's like, no, we're getting the best of the best.

You know, we're getting a pocket-sprung mattress, you know, with a gel top.

You know, it's gotta be good.

Like we're gonna lie in this for, you know, you sleep in it a minimum.

You should for like six, seven hours a night, you know, preferably eight to ten hours a night, every day for years.

So yeah, always invest in your mattress.

It's important.

I want to get one.

I don't know if it exists and I should just go online to find out.

But I've often wondered, like, is there one where it can be hard on one side, soft on the other, but also completely temperature controlled, because my wife likes to be boiling hot.

She's got the fucking blanket on the heated blanket on her side.

On my side, I'm throwing everything off and opening the window, you know.

So it's like, that should exist as a thing, right?

Like, you know, trying to get to Mars.

Can we sort out the bedding situation?

What you need to do is you need to get a regular sprung mattress, and then you need to get her a single topper.

So you can get mattress toppers, it will be slightly higher.

To be honest, if she gets an old school memory foam topper, they retain a lot of heat, whereas the newer ones are designed to disperse the heat and all that stuff.

What's all this gel top stuff you're speaking of?

It's similar to memory foam.

It's similar to memory foam, but they don't retain the heat as much.

It keeps you cool.

You know, that's kind of what the gel top is for.

I prefer the heat, but Michelle, my partner, she likes a cooler bed, so the gel was the one really to make sure it would be cool.

Yeah.

That is a lot of mattress talk.

I'm just going to end it by asking you, how was Have I Got News For You?

Because I did want to ask you about that.

I'll tell you if you want a quick behind-the-scenes story of Have I Got News For You.

Oh, yes.

I've done it twice now, but I've appeared on it three times.

I'm going to tell you about the third time.

I got credited, but it was a surprise.

They phoned me up after the first time I did Have I Got News For You a couple of weeks later.

They said, are you available to just record yourself pronouncing this long Spanish name?

The new story was that a Duke in Spain had had a daughter.

The courts had blocked him naming his daughter this because it was like 20 names long.

So it was too long for Spain.

We have long names in Spain because everyone automatically has two surnames.

Typically, we'll have a middle name as well.

Because of family analysis stuff, you try and put like, oh, you want to put the grandfather's name in as well.

So the grandfather's first name goes in, this uncle going, where are they from?

Let's put that in the name as well.

So the names can get longer and longer and longer.

I have four names, that's standard in Spain, but some people have eight names.

This person, the Duke wanted to give his daughter like a 20-name long name.

So the court blocked it.

So Have I Got News For You, the producer formed me up and he said, look man, can you read the name?

Because Jack D is hosting and he needs to know how to pronounce the name.

It's a long name.

I was like, okay.

So I recorded it once fast and I recorded it once slowly broken down, phonetically pronouncing how the Spanish names would be.

I sent it over and he said, perfect, thank you.

So I thought nothing of it.

Obviously, because it's a topical new show, it's a very quick turnaround.

So this was the, I think, Wednesday evening.

Thursday, the record, I think it goes out on the Friday.

I think, I can't remember the exact days, but that's the kind of structure.

So on whatever day it's airing, the producer, Louis, messaged me and he said, hey man, great news.

It made the edit.

Check it out and watch the credits for a little Easter egg.

I was like, okay.

So watching the episode and it gets to the new story.

And at the end of it, after all of the jokes and stuff, Jack Tegel's and of course the name in its full is pronounced.

And then they dubbed, it was my voice doing the quick version of it with Jack just mouthing like a really bad dub, you know, which was nice going back to the dubbing of movies and stuff as well.

So like an old Kung Fu movie, just moving his mouth quickly whilst my voice was playing over.

I thought, oh, that was a nice touch.

And he said, keep an eye on the credits.

So I watched the credits and it, you know, the regular credits all go past and then it says Royal Spanish Consultant, Ignacio Lopez.

I was really happy with that.

I made it up to him.

You got to get that on the TV.

I will, man.

Yeah, if it's not on my IMDB, I'm going to be furious.

Well, Ignacio, it's so cool for you to come on this podcast.

I've been trying to get you on for a year, so I'm really glad we managed it.

Your show NADA is on in End of a Fringe from August the...

Well, it's on from July, I think.

31st of July until the 8th of August is the last date I'm doing the Fringe with it.

I mean, it's a work in progress, but also it's a bit experimental.

I'm doing something very different in the show.

So if anybody has seen me do stand up before, half of the show is like my regular stand up and then the other half is something really outside of my comfort zone.

So I'm walking a tripwire on this one.

Are you one of these comedians who's bought yourself a lap dance in Paul?

I'm going to do trapeze.

I'm going to do trapeze.

I'm actually going to walk a tightrope.

That's what I'm going to do.

That's what I say when I walk a tightrope.

It's something a bit fun and experimental for me.

Another obviously means nothing in Spanish.

The Nine Inch Nails reference there is the Trent Reznor record label is called Nothing Records.

So that's the behind the scenes knowledge.

Everything is linked.

Everything is connected.

Well, I hope you have a lovely time in Edinburgh.

I'll try and catch you on tour.

Thanks Steve.

And thank you so much for coming on Television Times.

I really appreciate it.

Pleasure, man.

Catch you soon.

Me talking to the comedian, Ignacio Lopez.

I think you'll agree that was a fun chat, right?

I like meeting him, he's a good guy.

Met him in Edinburgh, saw his show, very funny, very talented, very original.

Check him out online, and you know, he's on all the shows, House of Games, Ask The Mic, you'll see him around.

But you know, if you want to really support him, go see him live, that's what's important.

But now it's time for today's outro track.

Today's outro track is a song called Muted Beauty.

It's from an album called Fear Of Flying, which I made in Japan in 2003.

And if that's not worldly enough, the song itself was written in Bolivia on a guitar I bought for I think about $100.

Unfortunately, when I carried it down to the bottom of Argentina, there was this ferry and it had these very big rivets on the floor of the ferry.

And I put my guitar down, I just missed the floor by about an inch.

And just that little inch drop cracked the entire bottom of the guitar.

Like the film poster for Smile, it was destroyed.

And in a moment of absolute rage, I don't mind admitting, even though it's a bit embarrassing, I picked up the guitar, in its case, and I smashed it to pieces and threw it in a skip because it was really, really fucking annoying.

But one of the songs I wrote on my guitar in that time was this song, Muted Beauty.

So hopefully I've got my rage and order in those 20 something years.

And I hope you like this song.

This is Muted Beauty from Fear Flying.

That was Muted Beauty, the song I wrote in 2002, recorded in Japan in 2003 for the album of The Fear Of Flying.

Well, I hope you liked that, and I hope you enjoyed my chat with Ignacio Lopez.

Come back next week for another great episode.

Until then, thanks for listening, and bye for now.

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