Harry Jun: Deep-Fried Scottish Food, Gen Z TV Nostalgia & The Aussie Comedy Scene

Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, Screen Rats, and welcome to another episode of Television Times.

Now today, I have a comedian for you from Australia.

His name is Harry Jun.

He is Korean Australian, and I met up with him in Edinburgh during The Fringe, this episode was recorded up there as one of those.

And I was put onto him by Jenny Tian, who has been on this podcast.

When I was up there this year, I went to see Jenny's show, and afterwards she suggested a few Australian comedians that were heading towards Edinburgh, who might want to come on the pod.

So I approached some of them, and some of those episodes you've already heard, and this episode is Harry.

And he's really good fun, he's really good crack.

He comes in hot, and we have a pretty good rapport throughout, I think.

And I have to say, this is one of the least edited episodes I've ever done, because it's just good, it's just good, all of it's good.

I enjoyed a lot of it.

You might hear a couple of stories that I might be repeating myself about, whatever.

I mean, you know, this is going to happen.

But I will try going forward not to keep going over the same old ground.

But in this instance, I think it's fine.

So as I mentioned before, I'm just releasing these episodes when they're done, essentially.

So sometimes they'll be one a week, two a week, three a week, another week.

It's just how I'm doing it at the moment until the new year.

So, you know, I did take that break over the summer and I'm trying to, I wouldn't say catch up, but, you know, stay relevant and get all over those socials with these brilliant episodes.

And I'm really proud of all of them so far this year.

They've been really, really top notch.

And this is no exception.

This is one of my favorites, actually.

And yeah, what's going on with me?

Not a lot.

I mean, I guess the only thing I want to bring up is something cool that happened today, which was David Cross, the comedian and actor, announced his UK dates recently and he's coming to Leeds, which is very close to me, which I believe is where his family is from, his English side of his family.

And yeah, got two tickets in the front row this morning for a very decent price.

I have to say, I'm very impressed that he didn't do a sort of oasis, Glastonbury ripoff price.

So, you know, hats off to David Cross for keeping those prices down.

Right, let's get on with the episode.

This is me talking to the brilliant, very funny Harry Jun.

He came to Scotland and got off a plane, did a bunch of shows and went back home again.

Roll up, roll up, and welcome to another edition of Television Times with your host me, Steve Otis Gunn, where I'll be talking to someone you do know or someone you don't.

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And you got a lot of friends here right now, or?

Yeah, a couple, just the Aussies.

Yeah, I've been running into them here and there.

It's funny, because I've run into friends, like Aussie mates that I didn't even know were coming to Edinburgh.

Oh, really?

Who's your crowd?

Who do you run with?

Oh, well, Jenny, Tien, Pat Glamko, Her Huang, we're all in the same accommodation.

Oh, really?

She's on Next.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we were talking about it.

Yeah, she said, yeah, she's doing Steve's podcast today, she said.

I was like, what time?

She said, five something ish.

And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm on a threes.

Yeah, well, we, you know, but this is not a fringe podcast.

We will obviously talk about it a little bit.

But first question I have for you, I apologize for some honky-honky asking you this question, but I just want to know for my own benefit, because I can't find any.

Found any good Korean food in this town?

No, I got some recommendations from, like I haven't tried any at all, but I got some recommendations from a mate.

I mean, I can't pull it up now, but yeah, he said there were a couple to check out, and I'm very curious.

I really want to know what it's like.

I'd be curious, because I really like Mexican food, Japanese food, Korean food and Thai food.

Oh yeah.

I think I've most...

It's great if you don't want to eat bread, just come to Fringe, because all I've been eating is rice noodles the whole time.

But I went to a Mexican place that was supposed to be the best one.

Yeah?

It was shit.

Oh no.

Oh wait, so who said it was the bit like what?

General consensus.

I don't want to put the name on the pod, but I'll bleep it out.

Taco Libre, load of old shit.

10 quid for two tacos, fall apart in your hand, test of nothing, you know what I mean?

What a shame.

If you came here and you had that, I know this is Scotland, so we're going to say England, but that would be like, oh yeah, typical British food.

Like they don't know what they're doing.

Damn.

Oh, that bad.

That's awful.

Yeah, this Japanese place just there that isn't Japanese.

I only realized that when I started eating it.

Oh really?

Oh, this isn't Japanese at all.

And I looked up and everyone was Indian in the kitchen and they were like Filipino or something.

And I thought, oh, this is just salty.

And that is not the same.

No, it is not the same.

I have a friend and he's married to a Korean woman and they were around my house last night.

Obviously I'm not there.

And I could see them in the garden and she was making all this fucking amazing Korean food.

And I'm stuck, we're not stuck up here.

I want to be up here, but.

And my son was like, he's 10.

And he was like, he's very adventurous.

And he was like, yeah, she made this stuff.

And it was like red and really spicy.

It was really delicious.

And I says, kimchi.

He went, yeah, kimchi.

So a 10 year old eating kimchi in England is pretty cool, actually.

And like handmade from someone.

She comes around to our house.

I'll talk about Korean food like a massive gala, but she comes around our house and she uses all the things in my house, the spices I have, the food I have in my house.

And she makes food that's unbelievable.

Like I'm in a restaurant.

She makes those, I don't know the name of them, but the pancake, the really thin pancake.

It might be, they're usually like a, almost like a Singaporean carrot cake.

Just a sort of really thin pancake with all the onions.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She does the dipping sauce and she goes, oh yeah, a bit of that, bit of that, bit of that, in my own house.

And she makes this amazing dipping sauce.

I'm like, how the fuck did you do that?

If I make that, it will taste shit.

She even left some for me and I cooked it up.

It was rubbish.

I couldn't even cook it.

She says, I'll leave this for you, make it tomorrow.

And I made it and I'll burn it.

And I made the sauce wrong.

Typical shit anyway.

So yeah, you call yourself Korean Australian?

Yeah, Korean Australian.

And have you got a lot of family in Korea then?

Yeah, so my family, like mom, dad and brother, we were like the only fit, like part of our family from Korea that lived in Australia.

And then right now, mom and dad are back in Korea and my brother's in Singapore.

So I'm the only Australian.

So do you get to go to all these places all the time?

Well, actually, I went to Korea not long ago to see my parents, which is cool, and I stopped over at Singapore airport.

Chiangi airport, the same as airport, that's a good one.

Yeah, I mean, Singapore seemed nice, seemed quiet and clean.

It's very clean.

And I think for me, the thing with Singapore is it's always, again, food, it has all the foods.

It's like, it's sort of like a space station.

It's kind of cut off from the world, but it has all the best Japanese, Korean, all the all the flavors from around there are all in Singapore in those food courts.

Yeah.

Yantan food and then you got Chinatown.

It's fucking, it's unbelievable for food.

I want to go give it a proper, I couldn't even leave the terminal because my layover was so short.

So like I want to, I don't think I could even go to like the airport restaurants in there.

Or maybe I was just not like.

You just airside the whole time?

Well, no, no, we were just in like this separate waiting area for layoff.

We were like fucking Tom Hanks in that.

Yeah, we were isolated and we couldn't.

So we just waited for an hour and then we got back on the plane.

That's annoying.

Oh, yeah, you'll definitely have to check it out.

Changi Airport is one of those places where I saw something I've only ever seen there.

I don't know if they're still there.

This is a while ago.

But you know like in American films, like old 70s, 80s films, they've got these weird blue telephone boxes they will go to.

Oh, yeah, like hood over the top.

You seen those?

Like a Superman telephone box?

Yes.

No, not one you go in.

One where there's just like a hood.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And at Chiang-Yi Airport, they had these hoods, but they were like, it had a smoking sign, like you could smoke under these hoods.

And so people go over there with the cigarettes, they go, and it would just get sucked up.

Oh, it had a vacuum in the top.

Yeah, yeah.

So whenever it sent smoke, it would just suck it.

So they didn't have to go in one of those smoky rooms.

They could just stand there, smoke cigarettes, and it would be sucked up into some, you know, I don't know.

Actually, it reminds me of like, maybe they just went to a Korean barbecue restaurant, because, you know, they have the exhaust vacuum.

Oh, the one over the middle of the table.

They probably just saw that and they're like, we can use this.

We'll use the cigarettes.

Well, now they need a fucking big one for vapes.

Is there a lot of vapes in Australia?

No, but interestingly, it's so common here.

It's unbelievable, isn't it?

It's actually like, you can't throw a vape without seeing another vape.

I know, it's unbearable.

Yeah.

As a non-vaper, I'm walking around just avoiding clouds of other people's mouth.

Yeah, it's so like, we have them in Australia, but we recently had a ban.

A ban.

Oh, yes.

Is it pharmacists only?

Yeah, that's right.

Like Singapore with the chewing gum.

Yeah, it's weird.

It's interesting.

It's great.

Was it people underground?

Yeah, but the thing is they're doing this thing where you can get one from a pharmacist if you have a prescription, but then only until December.

And then what?

And then you can just get one from a pharmacist without a prescription.

Oh, right.

So you just get them from pharmacists rather than whoever else is selling them at the post office or wherever.

Black market.

Yeah.

Here is how.

It's just out of control, man.

There used to always be that thing of like, if you invented cigarettes now, they would never be released because we know they're just the worst in the world.

That's right.

But we did it again.

We did it again.

We did it again blatantly.

Made it sci-fi.

There's a Kiwi comedian, I think his name is Dan Bolding, Dan Bolding, but he had a fantastic joke that he wrote when he came here about vapes and shake.

Vapes, vape and shakes.

Vape and shakes.

It's this shop that sells vapes and milkshakes.

Oh, well they smell good.

Yeah, exactly.

And they also, do you want a candy floss fucking milkshake or a candy floss vape?

Yeah.

And in the Venn diagram, like fruit is in the middle of the two things, vapes and shakes.

It's such a ridiculous that it's so prevalent.

I see you use, I hadn't, you don't see this in Australia, but I saw like a 70 year old woman with a vape.

And you'll see a seven year old child with a vape.

Yeah.

You'll see all the rangers.

Scotland, the land of extremes.

It's, yeah.

If you go where I live in Newcastle, you get on the metro, or the mitral, as they call it.

And there's 13 year old boys in gangs all vaping.

Of course, I want to go up to them and say, could you fucking stop?

Yeah.

But I don't want to get stabbed.

No, of course.

So there is that.

That's, yeah, I mean, what's more harmful?

Vapes are getting stabbed, probably getting stabbed.

But still, it's, you don't want to, I can't believe how, they just don't care about it, I guess, vapes here?

So prevalent.

I know how I'm going to die, and I've worked it out.

It is stepping in the road to get out of the vape cloud.

I'm going to get hit by a bus.

Is that, because that's all I do, is just walk out of the way.

Or even passive smoking from other people's vapes, because it's just everywhere.

Yeah, it's unreal.

I mean, I spent quite a lot of time in Japan.

I know that you're your enemy probably, but I spent quite a lot of time in Japan.

And I just remember that I would, I'd never been somewhere with so many smokers in my life.

It seemed like every male smoked in Japan or Tokyo anyway.

And all I did was constantly move in and out of clouds of cigarette smoke, which is more disgusting.

Yes, yes, yes.

But more localized, I would say, than a giant cloud.

And it is weird after around COVID to like, you have to wear a mask if you cough or you don't cough in public, but you will expel this giant cloud of air that will travel miles.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

From your actual mouth.

Yeah, yeah.

Into my nose.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What is the point?

But it's apple flavored.

It's apple flavored.

It's the apple strain of COVID.

So, you know, we'll allude to it, but we won't talk about Fringe continually.

But so we're at Fringe right now.

Yeah.

So you're here doing some all star shows.

Yeah, some line up shows.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's been real fun.

I'm doing an Outback comedy show, which is like Australians and a friend of the podcast, Jenny Tien, will be on the line, which is always fun.

But yeah, it's been great.

Yeah.

Are you an Outback?

You don't live in the Outback.

I don't live in the Outback.

I wish.

Does anyone live in the Outback?

Yeah, I know.

It's very strange people.

Yeah.

No, the Outback is great.

It's beautiful.

It's beautiful.

It's beautiful because there's few people there.

Yeah.

Or just one of those farmer types that gets on the road at first sight.

Just lives two hours from the town and is trying to get a wife or something.

Yeah, I see those guys.

We watch it.

I watch a lot of your television.

Oh, really?

Unfortunately.

What's in the top?

Well, yeah, because I know Neighbours used to be...

Well, I don't watch that.

I used to.

Yeah, Neighbours is massive here.

That wasn't the...

Yeah, it was at the top.

More of an 80s, 90s thing.

Oh, OK.

I went on tour to Australia in about 2005 with the show because I used to work in theatre.

And we went to the Neighbours set and it was a little bit like going to Elvis' house or something.

It was amazing to us because Neighbours is so huge here.

Wow.

You know, you see Lasseter's or whatever.

Oh my God, that's actually like, you know, Ramsay Street.

That's crazy.

I know, it's just some shitty show.

Yeah, that's so funny.

Yeah, to us, we're like, you know, whatever.

All the people that came out of it, though.

Yeah, true.

So many actors.

Yeah.

I mean, fucking...

What's the name?

Barbie, what's the name?

What's that going on in my head?

Margot Robbie.

Margot Robbie, yeah.

Delta Goodrum.

Yeah.

Guy Pearce.

Guy Pearce.

Stefan Dennis.

Not so much.

Lots of pop stars.

Yeah, I mean, for me, we watch...

I don't...

It's funny, like, I would not say I'm a reality TV guy myself, but we do watch a lot of maths and I like the Aussie versions of things.

Oh.

Of our shows.

Like, I don't mind The Aussie Apprentice.

I don't mind that you watch...

Have you seen SAS?

Yeah.

Well, I know of it.

Yeah, you got that horrible cunt that was sent over from here to Shouch.

So you get like some, like, you can swear on him, so you get like some really sort of, I don't know, timid Australian actress, and then Ant Middleton's like, Get in the fucking water, you cunt!

And you're like, Jesus Christ, calm down.

Relax.

And he's in there, spitting out them, these little muscly fucking rock-wide-of-a-man.

It's awful, but it's funny.

He's not allowed on that, really.

I'm really curious about it, because I feel like, at least for Fringe, and I've spoken to other Aussies about this, but Australians get like quite a good rap here in England.

We love Australian comedy.

What is it about Australia?

I don't know.

And I noticed that when I started the podcast, I had a few Aussie guests on, a couple of Kiwis, and I was like, and even talking to you right now, it's just a better rapport.

People were just, I don't know.

I don't know what it is.

You guys have something we don't.

Like a warmth or like a...

Maybe, I think it's that perfect balance between American and English, because you've got that...

There is a British sensibility in Australian comedy.

Absolutely.

But it's not the same.

And you also have a slickness of, say, American comedians.

So it's a kind of, I think it's a perfect combination.

You've got a lot more online kind of content creator comedians from Oz as well.

Yeah.

Like Jenny and I'm sure yourself, you probably do quite a lot of that, right?

Yeah.

So I think, yeah, it's the perfect balance.

Whereas here, you're not as angry as we are.

Oh, really?

So emotionally, okay.

Is it, because the common stereotype, I think, for Aussies is that we're laid back or whatever.

Is that part of it too?

Affable, I'd say.

Affable.

So not laid back.

Because Australians will get defensive about that because they think laid back also means lazy.

It's not like the Canadian thing of like, oh, they're so nice.

They're so nice.

Right.

It's not that.

We know you're edgy and you can say fuck a lot.

You know, you like us and you throw swear words around a lot.

And you know, there's just that perfect balance.

I mean, if you think about American comedians and how sometimes, I'm not saying all the time, I love a lot of American comics like Bill Burrow and people like that.

And I don't care if they say things offensive because it's just a joke and it's funny sometimes.

People like Joe Rogan, he can get fucked.

But like, but there are, because he's going against the government now, he's a prick like Elon Musk.

The two of them can just fuck off the space as far as I'm concerned.

But there, you know, there's a little bit of it in Australian stuff, but not, you know, Stuart Lee used to do a whole bit about it, where it was like, American comedians will always talk about their race.

Like, that's all it is.

Like, that's all it is.

Not just a bit at the beginning, the whole fucking thing.

Like, my mom was Indian, my dad was from Afghanistan, so if I get a banana, I don't know whether to eat it or put curry on it.

Hopefully, that kind of shit.

And it's like, you know, and it's just, that shit gets old.

Aussies, you guys don't seem to do that.

You refer to it a little bit.

And of course, you do, especially in Australia, because you, well, yeah, it's a little bit more racist than him, isn't it?

Not in the moment.

Not the fucking moment there.

Not right now.

Not in the moment.

You guys are doing well.

You've got race rights.

Yeah, exactly.

But yeah, that's not representative.

No, it's like these weird tattooed Nazis.

Yeah.

I have a theory as to solve that, by the way.

Oh yeah, go on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What you do is, we've got all these refugee hotels, right?

Yeah.

Full of refugees from everywhere.

You turf them out, you give them the homes of the Nazis.

You put the Nazis in the refugee hotel, and you put a big fucking barricade around it, and they can stay in there.

I think that solves the problem.

Yeah, push them out, put them in the box.

I'd rather have one in, one out.

I don't want you.

Yeah.

I'd rather have that guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's run away from a persecuted land.

You're a fucking Nazi.

I mean, we're not going to pick you, mate.

Maybe put them on a cruise or something, you know?

Put it on a cruise.

Yeah.

And then launch some torpedoes, you know?

Just send them on a boat and say, go find MH370 or something.

Yeah, exactly.

Put it on a mission.

Come back when you found it.

No, that's cruel.

That's horrible.

But, you know, we'll never see him again.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Awful.

I apologize for my countrymen.

They're not my countrymen or half Irish.

How long have you been in there, a few days?

I landed on Tuesday, yes.

So what's that, four days?

Four days, you must still be all over the place.

Yeah, I'm getting better.

I remember, it's funny, because after the first night, I'd slept like two hours and felt okay.

Really?

Which was bad, though.

Did you perform the next night?

Yeah.

Wow.

But then I think the fatigue, the sleep debt, just smashed me the next day.

And then you just fall asleep at some point, and you just crash.

Well, the worst was I went to watch a friend's show, and I won't say who, because I feel awful.

You fell asleep because it was terrible.

No, well, this is a crazy thing.

It's like got so many...

It's very active and like a lot of production, a lot of things happening, and I fucking fell asleep.

Wow.

Like I'm talking costume changes, lighting cues, sound, music.

It must have mesmerized you in some way.

Oh, I mean, that's what I told her, but...

How was it?

It was a brilliant show.

Very relaxing.

Yeah, it was a brilliant show, but yes, I did it like a, you know, like on the driving ads, the microsleep, where they show that it like blacks out, and then there's a tree.

Yes.

I blacked out, and she was like in this extremely extravagant costume, and I was like, what the fuck did that happen?

Yeah.

It's like when you're watching tele, and like late at night, because obviously I'm very much into television, and I'll get back very late, sometimes as late as two to my digs.

I'm an hour outside the city, and I'll think, well, I'll just watch like a 20-minute comedy or something like that.

That's the best way to go to sleep.

And I'll find myself just fucking glazing over and nodding off, and I can't remember anything.

And then you look back, you've only been asleep for three minutes.

Yeah.

And then you try to go to sleep after that, and you can't.

It's fucking bullshit, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob Lowe not being funny sent me to sleep, you know.

But now I can't fucking...

That show is terrible, by the way.

Have you seen it?

It's called Unstable.

No.

I'm watching what it should be called.

It's not funny, man.

Is it?

That's Rob Lowe from...

I know, is that from Parks and Rec?

No, he was in West Wing, you might know from West Wing, things like that.

But he's got his own son in it.

And I watched the first season, but...

Is it reality?

Not reality?

No, no.

It's like allegedly funny.

Allegedly funny.

You know when you're watching something and you're three, four episodes in, you realize you haven't laughed once.

God.

And you might smirk a little bit like, I guess that's funny.

Like when Americans go like, that's hilarious.

But they don't laugh.

With the vocal fry?

What do you call it?

Vocal fry.

Do you know you don't know that?

Is that what it's called?

That's yeah.

It's like a Cali, like, yeah.

Like, I totally like it.

They do that.

Yeah.

You're really good at it.

Oh my God.

Someone came to see my show the other day.

They were very lovely about it.

So I don't want to take the piss, but they were American.

And then after this they gave me a hug because mine's got an emotional part in the middle.

And they went, thank you for sharing your vulnerability with us.

And I'm like, that's the most American thing I've ever heard in my life.

Imagine a British person saying hello.

Do you know what I mean though?

They speak funny, don't they?

Yeah.

They use different words for things.

Actually, well, you know, there's Nick White.

Yes.

I'm sorry, I can't remember the female of the duo, but they do that thing where they...

The American.

Yeah.

It's so funny.

Yeah.

Valedictorian.

Yeah.

So good at that.

They're brilliant.

And it's always perfect.

My sophomore year of...

Yeah, yeah.

And you do hear those words.

And we don't...

No one else uses those words in the world.

Exactly.

Alma mater and I...

Gamadator and all that shit.

No one talks like that.

Yeah.

But they do hear.

You hear them in the street.

And if they're on the bus, even my fucking noise canceling headphones cannot cancel out those fuckers.

It cuts through, doesn't it?

It just cuts through.

Have you seen the Scottish Drunks, though?

No.

Oh, man.

If you go around the corner, it's like they're acting.

They're around the corner and they all congregate around the corner from Black Medicine Coffee and they sit there and they've got this voice.

I don't think I can do it.

It's like, you get your fucking, your big fucking pastergy.

But it's louder than that.

And there's a group of them.

And it's like performance art.

If you were trying to sort of make a group of very drunk, typical Scottish alcoholics on a step, you would sound like that.

And they hate us.

They hate us being here.

And they just shout at us.

It's really good for me.

Well, I've seen drunk Scottish people, but no one's ever like blown.

Oh, actually, no, I was at a kebab shop.

It was crazy.

I was at a kebab shop.

What time?

Oh, man, I don't even know.

Oh, I know.

The dark house.

Yeah, luncheon.

And this lady came up and she ordered, Scottish lady came up and ordered something.

Couldn't even hear what she ordered.

And I really wanted to know.

Macaroni pie or something.

Well, because the guy, he said, sorry, no, we don't have that.

And she just went shy, shy and like stormed up.

I'm like, wow, this is crazy.

Maybe it was one of those deep fried things.

I mean, they get a lot of wrap.

Jenny put a thing up, didn't she?

Yeah.

And I don't know how prevalent it really is anymore.

But when I first toured here, I'm vegetarian.

I don't eat meat.

And we know what that means.

And I went to the Chippy and I asked them if they had anything vegetarian.

And they said, yeah, yeah, we got pizzas.

Cheese and tartar pizza.

I said, fine.

It was like really late at night.

And I went, fine, I'll have one of those.

You know, it's little round ones, the frozen ones, like really shitty things.

And this guy picked it up and he dropped it into the fish oil and fried it.

And then handed it to me.

I mean, it was actually quite delicious.

But I've only ever had it once because I thought that I'm gonna have a heart attack if I eat that.

I'm gonna drink a bottle of wine immediately.

I mean, what the fuck is that?

Who fries a pizza?

Was it, did he batter it?

He didn't batter it, but you can get a battered pizza now.

I've heard that.

Because my brother-in-law came over.

No, there is a battered pizza, I swear to God.

They batter a pizza.

Okay, I will check this online, but I know about 10 years ago, I was here with my wife and her brother and he tried a battered pizza.

They cut it in half and they batter it and they fry it and then you eat the whole thing.

Okay, I mean, you know, it's a Mars bar.

Yeah, it's like a sweet and you're kind of like, you know, in for a penny, in for a pound.

But when it dribbles, it sometimes tastes of fish as well.

Oh, goodness me.

I mean, I also want to try it though.

You should try it.

You should try all of the things apart from, I'd say, the white pudding one.

Well, what's the deal with that?

Just cartilage and white fat cells from...

It's all the shit on the floor of an abattoir, isn't it?

Oh, I mean, look, us Asians, we do eat.

Yeah, I know you guys.

Well, you're not...

Well, I'll talk to her later, but...

Yeah, not her.

China, my goodness me, that place is something else.

But that's why she's super fun to eat with, because you go to a Chinese restaurant and then she sits there and she'll order chicken feet.

Yeah, she does.

Yeah, exactly.

But literally, like in real life, she'll loudly be like, I love feet.

I love feet.

I'm going to be repeating this on two episodes.

But when I was in Beijing, I was doing this massive show called How to Train Your Dragon Live Experience.

Oh, right.

It was in Beijing.

It was just so much money thrown out.

So much money that they built a stadium.

You know, that's what they do in China.

Yeah, we'll build the stadium.

And that's the Australian animatronics lot that do Walking with Dinosaur.

It's those guys.

And what was I getting to?

Oh, yes.

And when we go out at night, me and my mates, most of them Aussie, English, you know, and they'd all be chewing on the chicken feet.

And I'd sit there and go, I can't do that.

What have you got?

And so I go and get this noodles.

But then after a while, I realized that the broth was probably not vegetarian anyway.

After like months, I just like went wild.

I mean, I get all fucking, you know, funky about it and go, oh my god, I'm gonna be American and go in there, oh my god.

You're like totally ruined all of my, I've been vegetarian for decades.

You're feeling so vulnerable right now.

Well, they'd be, they probably got a word for it.

Yeah.

Some kind of like, you know, food-based abuse or something.

Probably got a fucking ism for it, you know.

But yeah, I mean, China is very difficult for me.

It was very difficult to eat there.

That was one of the trickiest places I've ever been.

Not in Hungary, I'd say.

Hungary, really?

Very meaty.

And Vietnam.

Very meaty countries, you know.

I mean, Korea is pretty meaty, but there's a lot of veg because of the monks and stuff, right?

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

There's the whole thing there, yeah.

Well, did you struggle in Japan or no?

I heard Japan can be difficult.

I am not a vegetarian anymore.

When I started going to Japan, I had to become a pescatarian, so I started eating fish.

Plus, I like it now.

I eat fish.

I don't do the others, but, yeah, fish.

You have to eat fish in Japan, otherwise you got nothing to eat, really.

Yeah, exactly.

It's very difficult.

Yeah, I feel like I remember it, because I have vegeo mates who just...

Vegeo mates.

Oh, is that an Aussie?

Is that an Aussie line?

Just the O thing, it's just great.

Vegeo.

Oh, vegeo, right.

I thought you...

Steve O's a vegeo, you know, that thing.

You're pulling me up on the mates.

No, no, no, I love all that.

I love it.

It's just really...

Why do we do that, vegeo?

You guys don't say vegeo?

We don't say vegeo, we just say veggie, probably go for the e.

We call like a vegetarian a veggie.

Yeah, I think so, yeah.

We call vegetables, yeah, we call vegetables vegeo.

Yeah, you're basically calling me a vegetable.

I don't think that's okay.

No, I don't think that's okay either.

But I have vegeo mates who can't, well, not can't, they struggle to eat in Japan because it's...

Yeah, it's very fish because the sauces and the...

Exactly.

Even if you like ask for something, vegetarian, they'll often put the little fish...

Bonito flakes.

Yeah, that melt on top like on tonari-yaki or something, so...

It's all kind of subtly embedded.

Just forget it.

Yeah.

Avoid going to dip anything in anything or eat anything at all.

I mean, it's probably fish in the fucking ice cream.

Yeah, exactly.

It's in everything.

But yeah, I love Japan.

How about you with Japan?

Because I have Korean friends who won't even let me bring the country up.

Really?

Yeah, because of the history.

Yeah, I know that.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

I mean, that's like me not eating German things.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, because I like Japan, but I also, the other side is like you, we have to acknowledge the war crimes.

Yes, of course.

Let's acknowledge war crimes.

Yeah.

And, you know, and like once you can, you know, point out the elephant in the room.

Yeah.

There's going to be a lot of elephants in the future that we're going to point out.

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Oh, do you know what I love?

Your website.

I love your website.

That desktop idea is really cool.

Thank you.

I played with it a little while.

Makes you want to click them all.

It's so clever.

I want to steal it immediately.

Yeah.

I don't know how, although people are contacting me through it, but I don't know how effective it is in showing that I'm a professional, you know, because I'm a comedian.

Yeah, it's great.

It's like, and it's all sort of messy as well, which I mean, I can deal with that.

I want to clean up a little bit, but yeah, it's good.

I really enjoyed that.

Yeah.

It's I mean, like it looks like a like a little website.

The thing that's annoying is that because people use phone so much.

So then like the formatting difference of landscape to phone was so annoying.

Yeah.

Because then you move one tiny thing.

It's like when you try to format anything in Microsoft Word, you just click a tiny thing and then the whole cell moves.

Right.

It was really frustrating.

But I think, yeah, right now it's it's it's good enough.

Yeah.

We like those episodes of Friends that keep showing online.

Have you seen this where Friends is on Netflix and they've the original ratio of the TV show was smaller.

Oh, yeah.

So there's like literally bits where they walk in and there's a big square hole in the wall with a camera.

Oh, so they've shown, yeah, the shoot-off.

Yeah, you can see bits you never saw before.

That's fascinating.

Yeah, I like it.

But I mean, Friends is such an old series, but that would break the illusion.

Oh, it definitely breaks the illusion.

Yeah, just close one eye.

So let's go to some format questions, Harry.

OK.

OK, so I've got a few here.

So I've just picked out ones that I think you'll like.

What I like to break the ice as a good one is, do you have a favorite jingle for an advert commercial, something like that?

What's the first thing that jumped in your head there?

It's the lube.

This sounds awful.

Lube?

There's like an auto mechanics company in Australia, and it's called Lube Mobile.

Lube Mobile?

Lube Mobile.

Something very different here.

Mobile lube.

Yeah.

And the kid in the ad, this is from like the 90s.

It's a kid in the ad.

Talk about lube.

Well, it was just the name.

That was the name of the company.

It was a different time.

Yeah.

But I don't even remember the full ad, but at the end, he'd always sing, he'd go 13, 13, 32.

And I remember the number.

Oh, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is like we're talking 30 years ago, right?

Of this, you know, if your car breaks down, Lube Mobile will come and then fix your car.

But 13, 13, 32, I can't get it out of my head.

Yeah.

That's how effective it was.

Cockney sounding.

Yeah, 13, 13, 32, there's that.

And then another one I want to give a shout out to is in like closer to Wollongong where I'm from.

So this is south of Sydney, a couple of hours.

There's a place called Jamburu and they have a name from Australian.

Amazing.

But they have a Jamburu Recreation Park, which is like a water park.

Oh, nice.

And their slogan is Jamburu, where you control the action.

Did it have a chin?

Yeah, it was like Jamburu, where you control the action.

And then like a big water pool would come out.

And it was like, and so that's like a con.

We just, you know, we always want to go to Jamburu because we want to control the action.

You do want to control the action.

You don't look like a man you can remember 30 years ago.

Oh, it's all those are the good times.

The best times.

How are you?

You don't like, so are you a millennial?

You're a millennial.

So how do you feel about this James Eddall?

Ah, I didn't give a fuck.

No, they're lovely people.

I reckon the next generation are going to be like, really like, don't give a fuck about anything.

There's another one coming up behind going, bunch of pussies.

Not that we should, but I've got a friend who says we should bring pussy back.

Just in that way, like, don't be a pussy about it.

But I don't know, I don't think it's mine to use, but it's fun.

So, you're a comedian, you're in Australia, there's a lot of reality TV.

Which reality TV show could you bear to be on?

If I had to pick Masterchef.

Masterchef Australia.

Yeah, a cooking show will be amazing.

I'm not like an amazing chef, but I love cooking shows.

I love, there's this YouTuber, well, I shouldn't say YouTuber to disparage him.

He's a very successful chef.

He essentially invented the, no, not essentially, he invented the reverse sear method of cooking a steak.

His name's Kenji Lopez-Alt.

He is this American chef who like, he's like a, not a food scientist, but he's so involved in like the science behind and physics behind cooking things, but not in a way that's like off-putting, but he has a cook, like a cooking show where on his YouTube channel, where he gets a GoPro that attached to his head, and then he'll point it down and it looks, when you're watching, it feels like you're cooking the meal yourself.

It's like VR.

Yeah.

But he explains the method and he explains the science behind why it's cooking, you know, how to cook in a certain way and why we've adopted certain cooking practices.

That makes sense in a way, because if you're looking down at what you're doing, you can actually see the method rather than being far away.

You follow along.

It's like watching snooker or something.

You can't really see it, can you?

It's amazing.

It's clever.

And I and so I love cooking shows.

I grew up watching Jamie Oliver, all of that.

Yeah, yeah.

Some people say I look a bit like him.

Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you take offense to that?

No, because my tongue is not as big as his.

Yeah, he has the tongue is a bit.

We want to do it.

We want to get the kids off the fatty foods, right?

If you had a GoPro on your head right now.

I know, but I can't cook like him, you know, and I also can't bankrupt as many restaurants as he can.

Poor Jamie.

He's still a millionaire.

Yeah, he's fine.

Whatever.

He's fine.

He's got his books, doesn't he?

Yeah.

Another one.

Eight-minute meals, seven-minute meals, six-minute meals.

Like 30-second meals.

And the last one?

Cup of water.

In a microwave.

He's got a cup of coffee, eh?

Fucking hell.

That sounds good.

I'd like to go on one too, but, you know, I'm not on telly like you are.

So yeah, you're in the Melbourne.

I saw you on the...

What's that called?

Melbourne?

Melbourne International Comedy Festival.

Melbourne International Comedy Festival?

Correct.

Got some friends on there.

Do you know Nathan Valvo?

Oh, I love Nathan.

Nathan's fun, isn't he?

He had a great show years ago.

I want to get him on the podcast because he's funny.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, he's a funny guy.

Yeah, lovely as well.

Yeah, yeah.

You guys all know each other.

Is there less comedians in?

There needs to be 4,000 here.

Well, Aussie comic.

Oh, you mean comics.

Yeah, in Australia, there seems to be like a group of you, quite a lot, but you know, like you're Dane Simpson, everyone sort of knows everyone.

They drop a name, kind of, whereas here, I think there's different cliques and there's way more comedians, I think, unless I'm getting it wrong.

And you've also got like 10,000 comedians.

No, we've got about nine.

And then we cycle in and out, like, you know.

Now, I feel like there are so few comedians in Australia compared to the UK.

Yeah.

Just, it's so, it's a good thing, because we tend to support each other, I guess, because we all know each other.

Yeah, you can spin yourself around the shows.

Yeah, yeah, it's quite nice.

But also, I feel like, because it is smaller, it's like, you know, the big fish, small pond, small fish, you know, you come over here, like, I was literally on a line up where I saw a comedian who the MC introduces have been done only 14 gigs, and they, no shade, but they did as well as a comedian who's only done 14 gigs could do.

And then immediately after, Tiff Stephenson, I don't know, do you know Tiff?

Yeah, I've seen her.

I'd never seen her before.

Yeah, I've seen her.

And the MC brought her up as someone who's been on TV.

So I was like, oh my goodness.

Okay, what's this about?

And she just demolished it was, and she was headlining the show, demolished.

And she's doing, and it looked like, I think she was, it was either stuff from her show she's doing now or just stuff that she, and she was riffing, like it felt new and fresh.

And I was like, who is this person?

Who is this person who's amazing?

And I've never even heard of.

And so I'm really excited to see our show as well.

But like in Australia and like, especially like in Sydney, I feel like Sydney might be a little bit smaller than Melbourne, like in terms of comedians.

Slightly smaller, but yeah, we all just know each other.

And also you'll get, as I think Nath told me, you know, you're, I don't know, in Australia, you'll be doing a room for like 1200 people and you'll come to Fringe and you know, you're in a tiny basement and there's only 10 people in the audience.

And that can be a little crushing.

That's definitely a Nath valve.

I mean, Nath is of course performing to 1200 people.

That's what he tells everyone that every night.

He plays to 1200 people, but like, yeah, see that I think that he's right in that the swings are wilder.

Because Australia also, I feel like the comedy market is way newer.

Like the demo, like the audiences aren't as sort of primed for it.

They're not as hungry for it.

Whereas here, which is why it's so amazing, like the free Fringe, all this stuff, like people just come and they take a punt.

Yes, you have to take a punt.

We'd have no audience.

I'd have no audience.

Well, it's so beautiful.

I have to tell you, like it makes Sydney look so much more ruthless.

Because you're out there like a dog.

And you have to do it yourself.

I mean, everyone's usually, you get some flyers if you really need them, but everyone's flyer in their own show.

You're the person out there selling it.

And then you'll get like a couple of people, whatever, especially when you're starting out, you get very few people.

But like here, I feel it's beautiful.

And obviously you'll have off shows where there's very few people.

But the shows I've been on, especially I've been very lucky to be on, that's been awesome as well.

Like not even just like quantity, but the quality, like just so up for it.

I'm very envious.

So you plan to bring a show next year?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

100%.

Venue?

I don't know.

Well, I have to...

I'm trying to suss out.

I don't know.

I haven't even seen all the venues yet.

Don't do this one.

Don't do this one.

They take all your money.

Can I make any money?

How do we look out for each other?

What are your biggest television aspirations as an actor?

Do you want to get in all these?

You're making an Australian office down there.

You've had Fisk, which is brilliant.

Oh, Fisk, yes.

You're going to see Aaron Chang tomorrow night, actually.

Oh, no, Pleasant, what is it called, Pleasant?

His show is called Pleasant or something.

Yeah, have you seen it?

I'm watching it.

Oh, I'm going tomorrow as well, Sunday.

Do you know him?

Yeah, he's a friend.

Oh, cool.

I've been trying to get him on the pod.

I'm going to try and...

Yeah, have a chat.

I love him, he's so funny.

He's the best.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's great in that.

And what's the other show I absolutely fucking love?

Utopia.

Utopia.

Yes, Utopia.

I love Utopia.

Everybody says, oh, it's just like W1A.

It's not.

It's way funnier than that.

Do you know...

OK, you know Nina Raiyama?

Yeah.

Have you seen Deadlock?

I've been told about Deadlock and it's on my list to watch.

It's the police thing, dead body lesbian couple, Tazzy thing.

Yeah, yeah.

Deadlock?

I can't speak highly enough about that.

It was one of the ones.

OK, I think Australians, you must know about this.

We have that tall poppy syndrome type of thing.

And we're quite, I wouldn't say ashamed of our own shit, but we kind of like, I don't know, we're not so gung ho and proud about stuff, almost to a detriment.

But I would put so much pride.

I do put a lot of pride in a show like Deadlock because it's sick and it's like all Aussie.

It feels fresh and also touches on these classic sort of like crime fiction tropes in a way.

But then you've got like the acting is awesome.

And it sucks you in.

And then to see at the end like the credits and you just like these are Australian, just all Australians.

Oh, it filled me with so much pride.

Like I stood up and sang our anthem.

I was like, you guys are just making excellent TV now.

Excellent TV.

I think you're better than us actually.

Because not really.

Yeah, because my wife's Canadian, right?

And she's always saying, I'm not going to watch another BBC fucking Sunday night.

Someone's trapped in a fucking submarine.

Someone's died off a cliff or whatever.

They're all the same fucking show.

They're all whodunit, the same three people.

And it was slightly different accents.

It's so BB.

I'm bored out of my mind.

I can't watch them anymore.

Yeah.

Some kind of procedural police thing.

Yeah.

And then there's a bad cop and there's, oh, God, could we stop now, please?

But is that not only like just because it's the TV shows from where you're from?

Because I feel like that about Australian shows.

What shows do you feel like that?

What are they doing down there that's similar?

Cut and paste, cut and paste.

We have a lot of like No Shade again, actually.

You know what?

Full Shade.

We have a lot of panel shows.

We have a haze of panel shows.

Yeah.

I like your panel shows.

Yeah.

I've heard that your panel shows aren't as good as our panel shows.

They try and remake like 8 out of 10 cats and stuff.

There's a charm and a wit to British panel shows that I think are really like...

It's so admirable.

There's not many left here, though.

Really?

Yeah.

Have I Got News for You?

That's been on for like 30 something years.

And Mock the Week has finished.

There's 8 out of 10 cats, I guess.

Panel shows aren't big at the moment.

They've sort of gone away again.

So, what's filling this space?

Taskmaster is the only comedian's kind of platform, really.

That's a shame.

Because that's what really got their faces in front of people.

Yeah.

Lively Polo, I guess.

But again, it's kind of dated now.

It's all stuff from like 15 years ago that's still on rather than...

It's new.

Taskmaster is reasonably new, isn't it?

It's about 2014, 2015.

It's probably about 10 years in now.

That's crazy that 10 years is new, you know?

No, but that's what I mean.

That's probably the newest.

And that's now been, you know, there's your version and there's New Zealand.

So what's filling the space then in the UK for TV?

To be honest, they're all going on like Come Dancing or whatever it is, Dancing with the Stars and all that shit.

They all sort of go on there and...

Yeah, it's reality telly.

That seems...

People rather came back, they do Celebrity This, Celebrity That, Celebrity Traitors, you know, stuff like that, I think.

It's a kind of trashy reality TV types.

I think so.

And Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here, which is filmed in Australia, which I've never watched.

They've always got a right wing nasty politician in there, so I can't watch that without throwing up.

So yeah, I don't know.

I don't know, actually.

And there's no sitcoms either.

Sitcoms have kind of gone away.

What is happening?

See, this is sad.

And I think it's good that it forces us to search for TV shows from elsewhere.

Like, you know, you're enjoying Australian TV shows and stuff, but it's a bit grim as people who work in that industry and like, you know, really admire it.

You want to have...

Because growing up, you'd see these amazing shows and be like, oh, you know, when I'm growing up, I want to be part of this.

So what was the TV show you saw as a kid that was like, oh, I want to do that, or I'd like to be in a show like that?

Like a comedy show, was it?

Well, I don't know.

Do you know the show Round the Twist?

I have heard of it and I have looked it up because someone else mentioned it.

But what is it again?

Round the Twist.

So originally, it was from, there was a book series, like a young adult book series by an author called Paul Jennings.

And it was about a family that lived in a lighthouse, basically.

And then the through line is they're constantly being asked to be evicted from their lighthouse, from this like guy.

But throughout the whole thing, just like wild shit happens.

Like one time, Bronson, the youngest kid, is it Bronson or his brother?

But one of them like swallows a seed, like from a watermelon or something.

And then he becomes pregnant.

Just children's TV show.

Yeah.

What the fuck is going on?

It's crazy.

Like it's crazy.

It's like shit.

Yeah.

Shit you can't get away with now.

I remember watching.

You could have a pregnant child on a TV show.

No, well, there's even, it's even like, there's this one where the kid, he gets, I don't know what it is.

I'll make it up though.

Like he gets blessed by a mermaid or some shit.

And he's able to swim really fast.

And they just show him swimming really fast, but they don't know how.

And then he leaps out of the water, into the air and the reason why he's swimming fast is because his pecker is spinning like a...

What?

Like a propeller.

It's like...

This is a children's...

His penis turned into a rotor blade.

Yeah, and it powered him through.

Wow.

This is all real.

But that aside, I'm not looking at that and being like...

I'm not looking at that and being like, I want to be part of that.

No, just the whole, how crazy this show was.

Yeah.

It had story line and some of it was like legitimately scary.

It's a 90s show.

Oh, yeah.

That's fucking nuts.

I absolutely have to look that up, though.

I'm scared to put those keywords in.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Just look up, if you look up Round the Twist episode, like just one episode, it'll hook you in.

It's so bizarre.

It's so bizarre.

But I remember watching that.

Like, I really love like practical effects.

So we also had another TV show called The Ferals.

You know about The Ferals?

So The Ferals, you'd have four animals that were like puppets and they like all live together.

And they like, basically the premise is they hijack a TV channel.

Right, right.

And so you have Ratis the Rat, Medigliano the Cat, Darren the Dog and The Rabbit Mixie, which is part of the theme song.

But yeah, they all kind of live together and just fucked around.

I don't know what the story is, but I remember watching that and even the puppets and how they were designed and how gritty, because you know how practical effects have a...

Yeah, they...

It's like a depth.

Yes, which is why if you watch too much CGI, I mean, I can't even watch any of it anymore.

It's just because I just know it's not real and it just doesn't...

I have no emotional connection to it whatsoever.

Yeah.

It's just a computer game.

I'm watching a computer game.

Yeah.

Why would I watch this?

It's...

and to me, I like...

and it's probably reductive, but I find that a lot of CG is flat and I find a lot of practical effects like have depth.

Like there's this third dimension to it.

Well, it is real.

Yeah, but it's also just...

things can look so hyper real with CG.

But it's still...

maybe it's like an emotional flatness where you're just like, oh...

I think we know, so we're drawn in to that is a real thing, the model that someone built like in Star Wars.

There's some emotional connection to the art of it, right?

Obviously, I'm not saying there's no emotional connection to CG art.

If you're watching like Thor fucking 12 or whatever the last one was with like, you know, I don't know what it was, Russell Crowe come down in a weird gold lift and the thing and the stuff and it opened out and there was, I was like, oh, this, none of that is real, obviously.

They're just standing in a room.

Exactly, yeah.

Nothing is happening.

So how can I possibly be fucking moved by this thing?

Yeah.

The other thing I read, I saw some tweet about it, but they were saying how like a lot of these, especially Marvel, but the CGI these days, it's all becoming like so diluted.

It's all aesthetically the same, even to the color grading, like it all.

Oh, really?

Yeah, the same.

Back sort of in the 90s for like...

Think about it.

Lomo, man.

But...

Something so weird.

Atari type or Tron or something.

Well, this is the thing.

It was like weird.

And like, oh, alien.

Think about the Xenomorph aliens in that.

And Geiger and his art style.

It was like you look at it and be repulsed, but you'd remember it.

Do you think this period that we're in now is going to look very dated in like 20 years time?

As technology changes even, it'll be like, oh my god, that's so 2020.

Look at the state of that.

Yeah, of course.

It's going to have like a fine, like a discreet, you know, the book ended like this was the 2020s.

When you look at Seinfeld and they're in a car and it's jumping around, the background is clearly fake and stuff like that.

But I'm worried that it's all going to dilute and mix together.

Like the 20s and 30s and 40s will all kind of be...

Because, you know, we're moving towards minimalism and all the sharp edges are kind of getting blunt and all that, like...

Even like the typography of brands and stuff, I don't know if you've seen, a lot of them have become very minimalist and simple.

And like all these brands that used to have these weird fucking logos have just become like, you know, Pepsi is like two colors.

Yeah, you know?

And it's moved, just moving more and more.

And that's why I like people like things that look weird and interesting.

I like things that are fucked up a little bit.

Just, and not to be like, edgy or lots of things fucked up.

But as in like this visual language that is really like, it grips you because you're like, you can't stop thinking about it because it's odd.

And like practical effects used to do that.

Jabba the Hutt was disgusting.

Yeah.

Do you remember?

Yeah, yeah.

He was awful.

Slimy and fucking.

And you'd see the fake draw that it would cover.

Like sluicing.

Yeah.

Disgust.

And it just, and then I remember they added this CG version of him that looked like water color.

Yeah.

Never fuck with the original guns on or taking guns out and all that sort of stuff.

Because what's next is you're going to have to take out vapes and then take out cigarettes and take out, I mean, in a hundred years time, I don't even know what version of now you'd be watching.

Yeah, that's what it is.

It anchors it to a time.

And as cringe or kitschy or like, you know, bad in quotes it is, it's the nostalgia factors there because you're like, oh, yeah, fuck, we used to dial the telephone by like...

There's one in my shirt.

You got a Rory's phone.

That's amazing.

No, see, that's amazing.

Because you just look at it and I can feel the Rota exactly.

So as an audience member, when I watch you and I see that rotary phone, I can't wait for you to fucking, you know, I can't wait for you to spin that rotary thing and pick it up and, you know, hello, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can't with a smartphone.

It's not.

Oh, no, I have to say, I'm just like an old bastard.

But when it when the buttons disappeared off the phone, yes, I kind of didn't like that.

You know, I was the same.

Yeah, I don't like that.

Because I would think you'd be inaccurate, but also you didn't know if you pressed it or not.

Yeah, I need to know.

And I don't want to be like, you know, my own mother.

Turn the fucking, you know, you don't want to be that guy.

But you want something.

You know, there are like, you know, there are tactile functions that make it feel like it.

But this just, I'm sorry, it's not the same.

It's like my MacBook.

Like, if I get an email, if I've got it with me, I don't do it on my phone.

I just open the MacBook up and I do it properly.

Because I just like the feel of the buttons.

And I can see it better on the phone.

I'm always fucking about with the...

It just drives me mad all that.

And I don't want to be looking at that thing all day long either.

So I just set aside a time to just, we'll open the laptop up, we'll do it properly.

You know, attach the files.

Easy, right?

I agree.

I think, I reckon there's probably some psychology to it because there's a brain-hand connection to, you know, how things feel.

That's why people like vinyl and things like that.

And so when you're watching these shows, man, I just feel like it's the same thing because we have the memory.

And so what I want to know is like for people like Gen Z onwards, I've seen some TikToks where they're like, they ask a Gen Zer to visually represent a phone.

And we, like, if I ask you to go do a phone, so you're doing the thumb and pinky.

Yeah.

What they do apparently, and Gen Alpha onwards as well, is they do this.

They put an open hand palm to there.

Because think about it, a smartphone.

Yeah, yeah, you're not doing that.

Yeah, you're not doing the thumb and pinky, but you're...

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

I feel like it might be nice because TV shows, like The Apprentice, they're going, oh yeah, at the end of the day, and they've got the phones out like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, and the stupid folding screen phone that you don't fucking need.

Yeah.

Oh, big eye roll there.

I want to know, because it's interesting, like Gen Z people, and it pains me to say that they call, like, they love retrocore, so they love things like vinyls and like, you know, rotary phones.

But those are things that we grew up with that it makes you feel so fucking old.

Oh, my Walkman, my childhood Walkman's in the Sony Museum in Japan, do you know what I mean?

I feel like I'm 100 years old.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But they, so they're looking at our stuff like that, right?

Like it's cool retro.

Yeah, and then the next generation, like, you know, how does it bend water down?

Because then...

Well, everything becomes a Ramones t-shirt, right?

Everything just becomes a logo on a t-shirt that no one knows even why they're wearing it.

Yeah.

They've got it.

Everything becomes Keach.

I don't know how to say that word.

Yeah.

Does that mean how far away have we got retro iPods yet?

People can start buying those, because I've got one from 2005, because it sounds really good.

One of those little thin nanos, they sound really...

Oh, really?

Yeah, they started limiting the volume after that.

But this one can really fucking pumps it out.

So I've got one, and I'm thinking, it's probably going to be like a trend, right, to wear that as some kind of necklace in about five years time or something.

Yeah, people are doing it now.

It's about 20 years ago, they're hanging out.

Yeah, for sure.

But it's just, I think there's something about people, they're still attached to that stuff.

Like the Gen Zers are attached to that.

Well, I think they'll probably rebel against this, because obviously the world that they now live in was made by people who are 60, 50, 40, whatever.

So it's not their choice to have all this fucking touchscreen and everything, making a racket and everything having a noise coming.

I mean, everything now is like a Japanese supermarket.

You go near anything, it fucking sings to you.

Like, can we stop with all the noise, please?

Because it's getting a little bit touchy with the fucking kids on the thing with the iPads just playing.

I have kids, I don't do that.

They've got headphones on, man.

I mean, I have a friend who goes around with headphones and he just hands them out.

You can't even do that anymore because they haven't got fucking headphone sockets.

Oh, yeah, sure.

Here's some headphones for you.

Shut the fuck up, you know.

Well, thank you, Harry, for coming on to Television Times podcast.

It's been absolutely wonderful talking to you and a nice rapport.

I enjoyed it a lot.

Cheers.

Thanks for having me.

That was me talking to Harry Jun, up in Edinburgh during the fringe in the summer.

Now, I don't think it was too much of a fringe chat.

We did a little bit, but it wasn't too bad, right?

I hope you enjoyed my chat with him.

He's a really, really easy guy to talk to and a lot of fun, and I think you should check him out online.

He's got loads of comedy clips up on his TikTok, YouTube, Insta, you name it, all links at the bottom of this podcast.

But for now, it's time for today's outro track.

Today's outro track is a song called Murder Under A Different Name.

Now, unfortunately, even though it was written over two decades ago, it's as apt today as it was then, possibly even more so, sadly.

It was written in a response to the wars that came after 9-11 and my anger and frustration around that whole period.

So you can imagine how I feel right now.

And I feel we touched upon it just vaguely, my little chat with Harry in there.

So this song popped into my head, and I thought, let's give it a quick cleanup and pop it on this episode of the pod.

So here it is, this is Murder Under A Different Name.

Oh dear, it's a bit of a dark one, guys, but I hope you can understand what I was trying to get at.

So yeah, that was Murder Under A Different Name.

And you know, I hope you enjoyed my chat today with Harry, and please come back again soon for the next episode of Television Times.

Until then, thanks for listening.

Bye for now.

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